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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 1395
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:21 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A precursor:

I paid in full for these products, minus the 10% that all mycotopians receive. I've been curious about kratom for some time now, and jojo happens to be a guy I trust in these matters- we've traded in the past, and he now happens to be a sponsor . . .


Those of you who know me are probably aware that
I don't mess around when it comes to my pharmaceutical opiates
and benzos,
so when I say that this stuff is impressive, I'm not
blowing smoke up your wazoo...

That being said, let me tell you about Kratom.
I ordered 5g of the resin/extract, 6g of the strong powder,
and a sack of Dagga about three days ago from Jojo
at shamansplace (a sponsor here as well as a regular member).

I was surprised and impressed to see that it arrived in my box
so rapidly - that's a good start.

I sat down with my scale and looked at the resin.
It looks a lot like opium; kinda gummy and sticky.
After doing much online research, I had decided to order some
just to see if the "narcotic like effects" were even
remotely true. To date, the only "legal high" I've ordered online that worked
even a little bit was salvia, and you know how that stuff is . . .

So I weighed off .25 gram and chewed it up. After about 20 minutes, I could see a strange shift in perception,
nothing too strong, and my mouth was tingly from the stuff.

My first thought: great, this is like Kava - another bunk herb that'll
give me a mouth buzz and color shifts that are probably my imagination anyways...
(I'm a horrible skeptic)

So I weighed out a full gram, nuked a small glass of water,
and stirred the gummy mass in there. It tastes like shit, but
if you've downed poppy tea or chewed up a codeine,
you'll be just fine...

Within 15 minutes I was feeling it. Like I'd read, smaller doses tend to
be a stimulant... I had a strong urge to smoke a cigarette, which was
weird because I quit two years ago... fortunately I had the
sack of dagga so I went about the house digging for some
rolling papers.. no luck.

Off the the local drink 'n drive for some papers.
It was coming on stronger now, nice euphoric feeling, enjoying the drive.. while waiting at a stoplight the
shit hits me like a very happy fist -
It was as if I had snarfed oxycodone - no shit.

The buzz is very similar, energetic yet narcotic, unlike codeine
or Darvon, both favorites of mine and relatively easy to
find, but this is much zippier, more like dihydrocodiene phosphate or oxy...

So I get the papers, drive home, avoid wrecking my car 'cause
I'm zoned out on the rain coming down that doesn't seem to be
actually hitting the ground
(did I mention that it has strange visual effects too? - Weird stuff kids!)
I DON'T suggest you drive on this stuff...
get home, roll a spliff of Dagga, and relax with my smoke.

I can't tell if the Dagga does jack shit, but who cares,
my head is in the clouds. Must admit I'm quite impressed.
I completely understand why this stuff is illegal in
Thailand, Australia, and other locales - it's good stuff.

The downside?

Well, I can already tell that having a bowel movement won't be
a major concern in the near future, and unlike Hydro or Oxy, this stuff doesn't seem to last as long.
Peak effects last (remember, this is my first time, your mileage may
vary) two hours, and then I started eyeballing
that resin-ball mighty hard...

Habit forming? I dunno yet - hafta see about that one, but
I can certainly see how one could stop taking classical opiates and switch to this stuff without
too many problems.

Anyways, I just snarfed a gram of the strong powder, so we'll see
how that does in prolonging the effects...

BTW, there's even a little bit of oxy itch going
on in the nether regions - crazy.
I'd never suggest that anyone start taking a legal,
possibly habit-forming substance. But if you do,
the stuff from shamansplace.com is the real deal.

Thanks jojo!

:-)

soliver
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Gyva (Gyva)
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:00 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vey vey nice description Soliver, I think your writings have sold me, how much does it cost for what weight and how many 2 hour highs will that do.... thanks

Gyva...
What came first... The mushroom or the spore?
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Gyva (Gyva)
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Post Number: 199
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Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:02 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so 1 gram equals a pretty intense trip.... very nice...


Gyva...

(Message edited by gyva on September 08, 2004)
What came first... The mushroom or the spore?
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harry m stevens (Rockawayrooms)
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Post Number: 1098
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:34 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks for the right up sol

it was an april morning when they told
us we should go
as i turn to you,you smiled at me
how could we say no!!!l.zeppelin
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 1398
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Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:41 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

5 grams is $10.00 . . .
Expensive in comparison to many other herbs,
but it's legal, arrives fast, and actually works.
Just gave the wife some - we'll see what she thinks :-)
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technogeek (Technogeek)
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Post Number: 124
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Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:46 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

keep us posted Sol, very interested to see if your further experiments produce similar results, am curious about tolerance as well.

thanks
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Star E (Night)
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Post Number: 20
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:46 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just ordered 5 grams of the resin extract.Im quite the fan of opiates and if this really works(like you said) ill quit taking oxy and save the extra $$. Ill post my experience when it shows up.

Soliver: Im usually happy with 80mg of oxy.. my tollerance to opiates is 'low' as I usually only indulge every other week or so (at one point in my life it took at least a 160mg up the nose to get me mildly buzzed and 320mg to get me 'happy'), am I going to be happy ingesting a gram or two?
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Tux_is_stoned (Tux_is_stoned)
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Post Number: 17
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:48 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While we are at it, what legal highs are out there in the USA?
I tried Salvia, thanks but no thanks.
I will order some Kratom tomorrow.

What else can be ordered that will produce a buzz?
I don't like to waste my money on stuff where I have to wonder if I'm actually high or if I think I feel something because I want to feel something.

So please, if there is some good stuff out there, please post some names.
THX
That is if I remember that dream right. I could be a victim of my extreme imagination.
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Joe Dirt (Davros)
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Post Number: 190
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 03:43 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice writeup sol
i have tried some of the extract from Shaman's Palace also
i was very surprised when i tried it
it was very similar to a hydrocodone/oxycodone buzz IMO
i now understand why it is used as a substitute for opium in Thaliand
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Tobynutz (Tobynutz)
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Post Number: 135
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:02 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice write up. it was your post that caused me to check the site and order 5 g's of resin. should be here soon
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Roc (Rochester)
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:33 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for answering my question Sol!


Roc
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Post Number: 1401
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 08:25 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boy am I tired today - I stayed up a bit later than
usual last night, but I feel more tired than I should
considering the sleep I got.

I like Kratom :-)

The wife and I ended up snarfing the rest of it.
The biggest downside I see to the stuff is the relatively
short duration.
If you're used to opiates, then you'll find yourself
ramping down to normal faster than you would like,
and the urge to take more is quite strong.

I have no urge today, however... I still have 5 grams of the
strong powder - think I'll leave it for another day :-)

Night-

Hard to say about your tolerance w/ oxy - I'm not
convinced that this stuff could replace it - duration's just
too short, and I think it may be cost prohibitive.

Last night was a $10.00 evening - not much for now and again, but
not a habit I'd want to get used to.

As for other legal stuff that'll get you high,
Kratom and Salvia are the only 2 that I'm aware of
at the moment, and Salvia is on my "blue moon" list.

Kratom is on my "need to buy a plant and grow my own" list :-)
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drwombatt (Drwombatt)
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Post Number: 151
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:29 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

have you tried freebasing it? i freebase oxy, it tends to take (some) of the itch away, and reduces the "i want to go to sleep effects" alot for me. When in thialand i used opiates regularly, doing heroin only once (sort of by mistake) Heroin and Oxy were just about the same. I smoked h in a cig though, j/w if you can freebase it.
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1dumbmyco (1dumbmyco)
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Post Number: 245
Registered: 07-2004
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:11 am:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder if there is a TEK for extracting edible/smokable goodies? My foaf is interested. Did a little research and he is curious.
Edited for spelling.

(Message edited by 1dumbmyco on September 10, 2004)
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:15 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

the urge to take more is quite strong.




hmm.
handle with care.
anyone seen any studies of long-term effects on chronic kratom users ?

Namaste


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xylem flow (Xylem)
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Post Number: 217
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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:38 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

erowid has a decent review by Murple on this fun new stuff. here's the link:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_info1.s html
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xylem flow (Xylem)
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Post Number: 218
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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:40 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

-and not to be nitpicky but it's shamanspalace
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 08:19 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oops - thanks for the heads-up - edited for spelling.

The long-term effects I've read about are mostly
colored teeth from chewing leaves and a yellowing
of the skin, but I'm sure there's some more nasty
stuff that happens... anything that constipates you
can't be good for ya in the long run.

Like with any drug, moderation is key . . .
Unless it's for medicinal purposes

:-) :-) :-)
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shadowbiz (Shadowbiz)
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beeing lazy here... but anyone know how much of the plant is required to make a gram of resin?
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Gyva (Gyva)
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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:07 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can the resin be dissolved in a warm water/sugar mixture and be stored for long periods of time? Will it keep potency and will it stay dissolved?

Any feedback is appreciated.

Gyva...
What came first... The mushroom or the spore?
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Gyva (Gyva)
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I've been reading everything Erowid has.... I can't find anything stating that there is an OD level with this drug..... Anybody else found this material? I just want to know if someone can take to much...

Gyva...
What came first... The mushroom or the spore?
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Soliver (Soliver)
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quote:

Can the resin be dissolved in a warm water/sugar mixture and be stored for long periods of time? Will it keep potency and will it stay dissolved?




IF you want to store it, just leave it in it's resinous
state, dissolve as needed . ..

From what I understand,higher doses will set your ass
down. I'd guess that there's a "too much" level,
not sure what that is, don't intend on finding out.

:-)
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perpetually LOST (Lost_onabbey_rd)
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Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 04:16 pm:Edit Post Quote Text Delete Post Print Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

anybody try the blue lotus or 10x daga? i am considering an order, but really don't wanna pay $5 to ship one item. the blue lotus and daga looked interesting so i was wondering if anybody had any experience with them...?
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Soliver (Soliver)
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I have a sack of regular dagga - didn't see the
10x - damn.

The blue lotus has interested me for several years as well,
but I've never tried it.
Supposedly it has something similar to apomorphine
alkaloids in it or something like that?

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perpetually LOST (Lost_onabbey_rd)
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well what kinda effects does regular dagga have? i think i'm gonna try the kratom and blue lotus :D good write up soliver :-)
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Soliver (Soliver)
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Oops - guess I didn't answer that one so well...

The dagga has SOME effect, I'm just not sure what yet...
Kinda weird, sorta different, but no more psycoactive
than a cigarette, IMO.
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Tobynutz (Tobynutz)
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i got a free sample of dagga when i bought my salvia online. i mixed a g of 5x sal and a g of dagga and i smoke that. i never tried it alone.
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Star E (Night)
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My resin extract showed up yesterday but my dumbass brother was running back to the apartment with the mail, tripped and the package it came in went sailing into the bushes and the little jerk did not bother to look for it nor bother to tell me about that until till today.

Onto the extract:

Smell like burned coffee in a weird sort of way... tastes like ass :D I twisted off a chunk and downed it while driving over to PscillyPJ's so he could make sure I dont die or some shit. My mouth is kind of tingly and the after taste is .... interesting. Im starting to feel a sensation in my stomach that very much reminds me of Oxy.... this is great. PscillyPJ is about to eat his chunk and Ill make sure to have him post about his experience. Ill post back later if able.. im pretty sure im gonna wasted for a lil bit :D :D
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Gyva (Gyva)
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Please keep us posted on what happened, and how much you took if you could.

Thanks

Gyva...
What came first... The mushroom or the spore?
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pscillypj (Pcsillypj)
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ok...here it is
i administered myself 1 gram
orally chewed and swallowed...
about 15 minutes later my tummy
started to feel happy
and then it set in. it's much more relaxed than
oxycontin and cleaner feeling IMO...
then put some on a bowl and smoked it
all i can say is it is the best legal
high besides salvia i've come across.....
i plan on ordering some more for me and some friends..i give it two thumbs up....
if anyone has ever been interested in smoking
opium and never had the chance this is the
stuff for you...i personally like it better than opium......well until i get my order in...

peace,
pcsillypj
"I hear colors and see sounds"
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mycolord (Mycolord)
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very nice write-ups and follow up questions, until this thread i had never even heard of the stuff. now i feel fairly informed (especially for the low number of posts because of it being a baby thread).

always good to have options
this seems to be one of them
keep testing and telling guys
thanks
myco
ground control come in
ground control come in
this is the guy that can fly-where the fuck am i?
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1dumbmyco (1dumbmyco)
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I received 6 grams of the premium powder and mixed 3 gs in vodka and OJ last night. Just as PJ says very nice opiate high, great euphoria and relaxed body. Slept great and am bit drowsy today tho the noticable effects were short lived maybe 2 hours or so.
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perpetually LOST (Lost_onabbey_rd)
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just got my order in... 5g kratom extract, and 14g of blue lotus...and a free g or 2 of cappi 5x extract... don't know what i'm going to do with that though.. i'll let ya'll know when i decide to try the kratom... i also got in my Kratom plant today that i got from wonderland botanicals. pics of it are up in botanicals :-) i just hope i can give it the love it needs to thrive.
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Tobynutz (Tobynutz)
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just got mine in. check it outUpload
Upload
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Tobynutz (Tobynutz)
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this aint hot cocoa! Upload
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Hippie3 (Admin)
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archive material

Namaste


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perpetually LOST (Lost_onabbey_rd)
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LOL...wish it tasted like hot coco though... man why do all the fun things taste like crap? i tryed 1g for the kratom extract the other night, i don't know if i was just tired or what but it didn't seem to have that profound of an effect, or maybe i was just expecting to much... i am unknowledgable in the ways of the poppy and don't take pills so... after about 45 mins i did nowtice a somewhat relaxed feeling yet i was kinda wired like i just drank a shot or 2 of expresso, didn't knowtice any change in perception..untill the next day... when my vision went.. not fuzzy..just couldn't focus on anything for more then 1 or 2 seconds.. still have 4 g's so i'll try it again when i'm a little more awake.
BTW i stired some honey into the brew but it didn't cut the bitterness at all..any tips or tricks for that...thanks
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Tobynutz (Tobynutz)
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ive dosed 2 times out of my 5 g's so far. i probably have 2-3 g's left and im gonna do it all at once because i wasnt gettin too much from the smaller dose. don't get me wrong, there was something there i just didnt do enough i think.

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